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Decypher - Apex
« on: January 15, 2016, 02:01:00 am »
Hey all. I did this in like 5 hours today with all original melodic sounds. Fuck sample packs and presets.

Let me know what y'all think. I'd love to get some honest feedback both positive and negative!

So if you can do it in the form of a critique sandwhich: One thing you liked, One thing you disliked/thought needed work, and another thing you liked.

Thank you and I love you all. :)
https://soundcloud.com/decypher-3/apex/s-kCWbZ

Cheers
« Last Edit: January 15, 2016, 03:29:37 am by Cor Sicarius »

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Re: Decypher - Apex
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2016, 03:05:47 am »
First off I'm usually the same way with presets and such. I only use sampled drums, maybe some voice clips but nothin' else. Everything else is "homemade."

Secondly... there's no link to the song lol.

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Re: Decypher - Apex
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2016, 03:12:08 am »
uhhhh it still isn't working hahaha, is it private? that may be why

EDIT: Wow I just figured out how to change your texts' color and it's pretty BA

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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2016, 03:30:15 am »
^ Fixed again. I hate how SoundCloud does private tracks. >__>

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Re: Decypher - Apex
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2016, 03:37:12 am »
Yayyy okay it works haha.

Okay so the drum groove at the beginning is rough, but that's okay because you did this in 5 hours and it's impressive you got all of this down that fast haha.

I seriously love this melody, honestly this rocks haha.

At around 1:00 and 2:30, those piano stabs might need some reverb. Also the drops need more reverb and space; maybe some white noise going on or just slight background noise to sort of "fill it up." I love the stutter effect going on with the supersaw, though it's great!

Things to note:

1). I actually recognize one of the hats you used (the one at the outro that plays alone with the saw) as one I have haha
2). Would you mind sharing the chords? I can't exactly nail them down and it's frustrating because they are so great haha.

Good song! It's incredible you made this so quickly!

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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2016, 04:56:27 am »
Thank you! Yes I was just inspired so I jotted it down as quickly as I could. Added in some reverb. I need to work on spacing out the sounds during the chorus though.

Chords are as follows.
Verse: E -> G#m -> F# -> F#4
Chorus: A#m 1st inversion -> E only using the Major 3rd and an octave of the root above that (i.e E,G#,E.) -> B 2nd inversion -> A#2

Definitely going to be finishing this shortly by adding in little things I hear along the way as well as widening and perfecting the mix. Most likely making a new intro as well. I'm surprised how quickly it all came together. I just want it sounding pristine before I completely finish it.

Thank you for the kind words and tips! Always appreciated. :)

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Re: Decypher - Apex
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2016, 06:49:17 am »
snare too loud relative to the kick

kick is just too quiet for the whole mix. the kick should be the loudest element on your track but it gets lost under everything.

Learn how to properly eq and compress your kick.

your composition skills are actually decent, the melodies and stuff are kinda cool man

Your track could also use some white noise upsweeps and downsweeps to add to the atmosphere

good luck.

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Re: Decypher - Apex
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2016, 07:01:21 am »
 ^ Went and double checked. My lead saw was the ONLY thing that wasn't eq'd for my kick. Went a little too low and muddied up the kick end. Fixed it. Thank you for noticing! Still semi-new to getting a good master. Any tips would be appreciated. I still don't understand the benefits of compressing a kick. Care to explain?

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2016, 07:44:56 am »
compression is basically making certain parts of a sound quieter, and other parts louder.

The majority of the loudness from a kick (its decibel output) comes from it's bass (the thump of the kick). if you increase or decrease the volume of a kick, you're equally increasing/decreasing the loudness of both the transient (the high end, slappy/punchy part of the kick) and the low end, thumpy part of the kick.

But what if you could increase the snappy, punchy part and not the lower part?

Compression is just a fancy term used to describe very fast volume automation. That's what compression is used for. To create the ILLUSION that something sounds louder than it actually is. You're reducing the volume distance between the snap and the thud in the kick.

So in effect, you're 'averaging out' the overall volume of the kick, So its more consistent - and hits harder (without increasing its overall DB output!)

I'd recommend watching tutorials on this. What DAW do you use?

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2016, 07:48:05 am »
Other tips I would recommend is putting a lot of your effort into getting good at EQing. Compression, stereo enhancement and all that bullshit is important by all means - but eqing is absolutely paramount to a good mix. Nothing will f*ck up your mix more than too many frequencies playing at the same time. :P

it takes time, good luck

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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2016, 07:48:24 am »
FL12

I get it now. I've never had compression explained to me so simply. Everywhere else I've looked they way over complicate it. Grew up as a sound kid so I grasp a lot of the techy production stuff quickly and understand what it all does. Good to know though! Ill definitely look up some videos and experiment with it more now.

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Re: Decypher - Apex
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2016, 07:51:21 am »
I know how it feels. compression was always this thing that no matter how hard I tried - the way people explained it never made sense to me. So i try to keep it simple for others.


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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2016, 08:12:09 pm »
Just watched a video that exclusively talked about compressing kicks. I understand it almost completely now, but of course it'll take a lot of experimentation and practice to get it down. I've done a lot to clean up and master the song better now, as well as adding a few more things rhythmically and melodically. I'll post an updated audio sometime in the coming week.

Thanks for you help and feedback. As someone who's been learning everything himself this forum could not have come at a better time.

Props to Mat Zo for bringing classic forums back!

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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2016, 11:23:38 pm »
I know how hard it is to learn, I'm always willing to help dude :)

I'll try my best to keep my ego aside and explain things as simply as possible as well.