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Re: Ill Gates tweeted this out
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2016, 01:03:25 am »
ya man, those african slaves shoulda just "grown beyond it"

those queer kids who have been kicked out of their homes and betrayed by their families need to just "grow beyond it"

it's easy to "grow beyond" shit when ur a blond haired wonderbread shmuck from the OC, but i'd love for you to ask alton sterling how he feels about being where he is because of things beyond his control.

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Re: Ill Gates tweeted this out
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2016, 01:04:33 am »
We gotta work with what we've got. And for some of us that isn't a whole lot I think is what he's trying to say.  ::)
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Re: Ill Gates tweeted this out
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2016, 01:12:49 am »

Women earn 79 cents on the dollar for doing the same work as a man, working in the same position, with the same amount of qualifications and job experience.


False. The study conducted was fallacious at its core. The reason for this is this: The study did not take into account the people who choose to stay at home AND NOT WORK. Women in America tend to choose to stay at home and "take care of the house & kids".

An unbiased study came to the conclusion that women are paid at the same level if not more so than men.

EVIDENCE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html

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Re: Ill Gates tweeted this out
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2016, 01:27:23 am »
Are you really trying to tell me that he's there because he "failed to apply himself"? Are you really trying to get me to buy that because you're "aggravated" by the truth, that you somehow get to dismiss the indisputable facts of the world at large?

Child, please.

Yes, because it has been statistically proven (for the most part) that to stay out of poverty, you must do 3 simple things:
1) Don't commit illicit activities.
2) Don't have kids out of wedlock (doesn't have to be for religious reasons)
3) Get a job. Any job.
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Re: Ill Gates tweeted this out
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2016, 03:01:45 am »
Oh cool, I can find "studies" from Huffington Post blogs that are more recent than your debunking. I can find multiple of them so best case scenario is that both of us are arguing over something that isn't fully hashed out and unless you're saying that you're not in favor of equal pay for equal work than we're both on the same page in wanting assurances on the books that there will be equal pay for equal work.

Yes, because it has been statistically proven (for the most part) that to stay out of poverty, you must do 3 simple things:
1) Don't commit illicit activities.
2) Don't have kids out of wedlock (doesn't have to be for religious reasons)
3) Get a job. Any job.


Provide those statistics, because I can find examples where you're wrong.

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Re: Ill Gates tweeted this out
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2016, 06:55:46 pm »
Oh cool, I can find "studies" from Huffington Post blogs that are more recent than your debunking. I can find multiple of them so best case scenario is that both of us are arguing over something that isn't fully hashed out and unless you're saying that you're not in favor of equal pay for equal work than we're both on the same page in wanting assurances on the books that there will be equal pay for equal work.

Yes, because it has been statistically proven (for the most part) that to stay out of poverty, you must do 3 simple things:
1) Don't commit illicit activities.
2) Don't have kids out of wedlock (doesn't have to be for religious reasons)
3) Get a job. Any job.


Provide those statistics, because I can find examples where you're wrong.

I cited that Huffingtonpost article because the author of it was the woman who conducted these studies. Christina Hoff Summers is her name. I urge you to research her work.

Regarding the "more recent study" you cited: It does not matter how new that study is if it was conducted in a fallacious procedure. I quiet honestly do not think I need to explain why that is...

The examples that you found to prove me wrong, don't actually prove me wrong...
They don't show how the described poor person is going through the steps (that I cited earlier) in order to lift themselves out.

Of course, I'm not saying all people are born equally, and that the weak slip into poverty. Some people are born into poverty, some people are not. The beauty of capitalism is that if you are born into poverty, you can guarantee that if you work hard enough, you will see progress. Sadly this process is being destroyed by the left with increased regulations and limits. I've seen it first hand.


Evidences: http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/reports/2015/12/aei-brookings-poverty-report/full-report.pdf

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Re: Ill Gates tweeted this out
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2016, 08:16:35 pm »
You would hope that with hard work and skill, you'd reap the benefits of success.

That's only part of the solution, and certain concepts aren't being mentioned when it does to actually come down to it.

Attitude is a big differentiation between people.

Learning is another.

so is adaptability.

Now, all of that said, we can all agree on that resource(management, consumption, and availability) all rely on external circumstances and the willingness to go get it.

What this article is talking about and what every one here is talking about, is piecing together the entire puzzle in order to explain how life works and how you can ultimately shape it with your attitude to manifest your ideas of your own lifestyle.

Quite honestly, the fixation of certain topics aren't what the real issue is. The real issue is actually creating the type of understanding that it takes to make people go get what they want out of life. But, as what Lydian said, that comes with a certain understanding of what's available to you.



You can talk about how your way is best or w/e and argue about perspective, but quite honestly it's just different paths to the same road (i would know due to countless argument with my older brother).


To see the bigger picture, you need empathy for others (not direct and blind bias) and you need to be practicing self mastery, before you can even think to talk about this topic.



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